Are you buying into the conspiracy that Spielberg secretly directed most of the first Transformers movie? (like Poltergeist)

@John: Are you buying into the conspiracy that Spielberg secretly directed most of the first Transformers movie? (like Poltergeist)

No not really

How can it be explained that the first movie so heartfelt, credible and coherent? Usually these tend to go down as the sequels for forward, not the other way around. I agree Bay directed all three, but maybe he had a bit of help from above on the first one.

Not excusing these, as I noticed most of these myself:
#1- Sentinel’s deal was in secret?
#2- Timeline not what we thought? 
#3- Cybertron is barren because The Decepticons won
#4- The Autobots knew, but Sam didn’t, thats noted in the movie. Why Sam didn’t figure out that was how Sentinel showed up on earth in the first place is the plot hole there.
#5- Sentinel is an idiot.  Also, as someone familiar with the Sentinel Prime character from comics, this guy is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. This is like making a Justice League movie where Batman becomes the traitor/villain.
#6- Prime has been inconsistent since ROTF.  In the first movie he lamented having to defeat Megatron with a line like “you left me no choice” and by ROTF, he was ripping off faces and doing Dirty Harry stuff.  In this movie he promises to “kill them all!” which is the kind of genocidal crap that made their planet unlivable in the first place.

and I’ll add:
Problem #7: Why did Megatron come to Earth?  For The Allspark?  For The Fallen’s Sun device?  Or for the Invasion with Sentinel?

The first Transformers was CLEARLY a 100% Michael Bay film all the way.  Somewhere along the line he decided to take a certain turn tone wise and he hasn’t let it go.  But no, Spielberg had absolutely no hand in the first film other than to consult as the producer.

Ehren Krueger is what changed.  Orci and Kurtzman did the first movie, and started the second, with Krueger filing in the post-strike re-writes to keep the movie on schedule. Krueger is the sole screen credit for writing on this movie.

Look at the animated series Transformers Prime on cable… Orci and Kurtzman serve as showrunners and the tone is identical to the first movie.

The first one had dumb humor in it also, bumblebee peeing on Simmons anyone. I personally like this one the best. It had the best action, the last hour was jaw droopingly badass and they gave personalities to the autobots. The story was way better than the first two and Rosie Huntington-Whitley is a vast improvement over Megan Fix in both looks a d acting

Why shoot sentinel prime down? Easy. Whomever was tracking the ship, and lets face it, Megateon isn’t all things and everywhere, probably didn’t know that Sentinel was inside this particular ship. He was just shooting down the enemy. Of the final 5 points of issue, Sentinel.s refusal of the matrix is just beyond moronic! No bot in his right working order, especially one in the midst of betraying his brothers, would turn down the key to ultimate success. Go figure.

I just came back from seeing the movie and those are great points I agree with.

One the dumbest scenes I thought is when Carly tells Megatron he going to be Sentinel bitch boy and that causes Megatron to back stab Sentinel and make the Autobots win.
 Also when did Optimus Prime  get his trailer back? remember  he lost it right before the big battle scene and said he need to get it back for his battle tech weapons. They never show him get them but later on he has that battle axe and sword.
Michael Bay also went over board with the comedy. Some was funny but most of it should had been cut out.
I saw this at the I-Max and I must say the special effects were some the best I ever seen, just mind blowing.

 

its symbolizes hope tmptation and btrayal

I thought the film was great, better than the first two.  You just have to put your brain to one side and realize you are watching a film about giant robots who can transformer into cars etc.  I am a big fan of TF, growing up with the cartoons but I also noticed these inconsistencies which bothered me too.  Here are my thoughts / overall assumptions;
1. I don’t know why they shot down The Ark.  May be during the acts of war they didn’t realize who was on board? / bad communication from the chain of command?

2. Megatron could have made the deal way back (keeping in line with the comics / cartoons) the war between Decepticons and Autobots lasted for millions of years (in the case of the movies though thousands).  The launching of the Ark could have been pre-Megatron landing on Earth looking for the AllSpark and getting frozen in 19th Century.  You may ask though why did the ship crash on the moon in the 60s.  That’s where theoretical physics and bad movie editing comes in , maybe the ship took many many many years to reach Earth without Fast Than Light and crashed on the moon?

3. Yeah I think that was a silly thing to say.  No one won the war really, they destroyed the whole planet.

4.  Yeah this was also fishy.  Maybe Sam didn’t know they had a ship.  Or perhaps the Autobots had the means to leave Earth’s atmosphere and to the moon but further than that needed a space craft?  poor writing or editing.

5.  To keep Optimus sweet?  Sentinel never wanted to harm Prime but to come over to the dark side.

6.  Didn’t agree with this scene.  So out of character for Optimus Prime…

Inconsistancies aside, I have to say I actually really enjoyed this
movie.  Nothing quite compares to the moment you first see Prime
transform in TF1, but in my opinion TF3 was the better movie of the trilogy.  . 

Sheer
quality of the shots, knowing WHAT ROBOT IS FIGHTING WHAT ROBOT, kudos to whoever gave the cameraman his seizure medication,  they really
toned down the campy humor (I didn’t even mind Sam’s 2 little ‘pets’
this time around).  Could have completely done without his parents
though.  Problems notwithstanding, TF3 is my favorite entry in the series and the first time I walked away from the theatre really nodding my head about what I wanted from these movies.

1) It never explains how long the war actually was…it’s possible they made the deal long before the end and that Megatron had left that much earlier to “prepare Earth”…likely the deal was made in secret and since Megatron was gone by then, the other decepticons didn’t know and tried shooting Sentinel down.. 
I saw the movie yesterday and recall a scene where either Megatron or Sentinel said they were supposed to rendevous with the other on earth to deploy the gate, until their plans were derailed….  This also addresses point #2 t hough I’m not ignorant to the inconcistencies it creates (allspark), etc…

3) Also not to be picky…but if Cybertron was a barren wasteland…why bother transporting it to Earth at all?

4) The ship they took the moon could be explained as either (1) too small for all the autobots or (2) a short range scout ship.

Nothing to say for problems 5 or 6…totally valid points.

Here’s another…in TF1 they didn’t need a ship at all to come to Earth, they just flew in…and if for some reason that wasn’t possible, couldn’t they just scan a space shuttle or a fighter jet and fly away like Starscream did at the end of TF1?? 

Who goes to a Tranformers movie expecting good storytelling. I go to see giant robots kick the shit out of each other. The third film delivered more robot on robot action than either of the first two films. Plus the action is better directed than in the previous ones. As far as Spielberg directing, let’s not be foolish. If it was, the first Transformers would rank on the lower end of Spielberg’s filmography, right above The Lost World and Amistad.

I have a question that’s been bothering me since I watched it..
Near the end – WHY was Megatron on the ROADSIDE? like he was tossed or fell down there? This is where the girl talked to him (like she wasn’t scared at all???)
It’s not like he and Sentinel had a major fight, Sentinel just pulled his ear or something. LOL.and there was another shot where Megatron was still atop the building.
Errr…. =))

One other major problem….

The deceptions leave 5 canisters, including the control rod, along with Sentinel so that Optimus can restore him to life. The problem is that in 1963 they took the canisters…way before Optimus gets it, or is even on earth, and set up the trap. How could they know that Optimus would even get the matrix or come to earth for that matter, 40 years prior?

Btw, love the whole series. The Star Trek references rock as well…

optimus got his trak because he asked some of his comrades to create a diversion. it wasn’t shown coz it’s a little scene anyway. that’s why some scenes after, some of the autobots were captured and then optimus prime came…

the timeline and megatron’s real plan are what suck here: megatron thousand years in ice and then in the 60′s came Sentinel’s touchdown that precipitated the space race…but we can counter that probably but not explicit is that Sentinel traveled thru space or floated in space for a longtime (since his ship was shot) then somehow found its way to earth…
i guess the ending was rushed…the movie was already running for 2 hours before the final scenes.

One major inconsistency bothered me – our band of heroes spends ages slipping and sliding through an upended tower block…narrowly avoiding death several times, and then suddenly they’re running on the ground in the street.

Here are the issues I had with film pertaining to it’s “plot holes” correct me if I’m wrong. WARNING I may spoil something. 

#1 Sentinel Prime is the only one who can control “the bridge” thing. Then, how was Patrick Dempsey character able to activate it and/or how would of Shia LaBeouf counteract that action, he’s not Sentinel Prime either. Then Ratchet shots at it a couple of time and Bumblebee tackles it and the “bridge” is now function-less. 

#2 This ties more or less into Campea #1 The Ark was a ship filled with Autobots and their technology that crashed on the moon, then how would  Sentinel Prime be able to teleport  Decepticons from the moon if they are Autobots. If the the Autobots with Sentinel Prime on The Ark were Decepticons then again why shoot down the ship in the first place. Another problem arise with this same mistake. During the crash would most if not all robots have die if not damage to a point where their not functional, or worse lose their spark. By this time in the movie the only one with the power to create robot life is Optimus Prime is it not.   

They were sliding from top of the building down. Why after the shockwave’s driller crushed the building in half they were on top of the building one more time to use fire escape ladder?

THE BIGGEST INCONSISTENCY: The Transformers freeze up when they are too cold… How could they go to the moon, and the Decepticons be there also and not freeze up? The moon is between -150C in the shade or dark and +120C in the direct sun. The instant they would have gone into the shade, they would freeze.  So the whole moon thing is bunked!

Good point, also if their were hundreds of control pillars, surely someone as intelligent as sentinel would have made more than 1 control rod….seems like a silly idea to only have one, what happens if it breaks?  Also hated the spock quotes, wasn’t needed.  And yes, if you turn off your brain to the logic of the movie, its fantastic…..if you think about all the plot holes, its a giant mess…..which pretty much summarises a michael bay production

Sentinel crashed into the moon a fifty years ago. Megatron has been burried under ice 100 years only. So before landing of Mega under ice, there is a lot of time to make a deal among Sentiel and Megatron

Regarding space fleet it seems minor issue. Why the Cybertronian is barren is there is lack of resources to make on the civilization.  Declining of the matrix is a kind of plot or camouflage at his will.

The real problem is (even M.Bay did not want to make his franchises have consistancy in their stories!)
At the 1st transformer, Optimus narrated that landing to the earth of the All spark (cube) be not destined at all. Then with the 3rd transformer, the cube should be landed at the earth, becasue the Megatron cased at first the Cube (before his decepticon army shot him down into the Galaxy.) Even there were some thousands ceunturies or years of time gap.
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And if M. Bay wants to base the Movie stories from the G1 animated cartoons or similar ones, the end of the movie should not have  as it does now.  Rachet could have died and Bumblebee could have been injured more seriously than the 3rd movie shows now.
Why Ironhide should die in that scene? Oh I really can make more dramatic plot for him , I just want to let him to use my head. huh…
All major decepticons (except all juncky decep. robots) were killed and destroyed, not giving any room to recover their presences, except the human beings may try to use the pillars at their will in the next franchise (if M. Bay wants to do so!).

Now the fans of the film story and even animated don’t want to see any more M. Bay’s story.
It makes us disgusting.

1. Deal was in secret. The shooting was a blunder

2. Deal was made before leaving. See #1

3. Decepticons destroyed the world. They are innately evil and unable to control their thirst for resources

4. Ships that go to the moon are not ships that go to other worlds. They got this ship from the humans.

5. At that point he was still acting “in character”, plus in the movie world the matrix does not really give you any power- it’s just a symbol. Plus- Sentinel was never evil, his intentions were always “for the greater good”. He is, afterall, responsible for teaching Prime all he ever knew. Had his plan succeeded he would have become ruler of the decepticons, with the autobots (those who come around to his way of thinking)  as his side. A physical victory even if an ideological defeat.

6. In the movies, Prime has been shown to display a slightly different temperament from the cartoons. He executes his enemies when helpless, he insults them during combat, and he reacts sometimes violently to betrayal. This wont be the first time he lost his shit over human “treachery” 

In my opinion there is only one real plot hole (besides the implausibility of almost every action scene) and that is the fact that it is never explained how optimus got his trailer/flight pack back, and how the autobots got captured, and why they remained in captivity when BB could clearly take all the ‘cons by himself.

i think refusing the matrix was a kind of reference to get across the point that sentinel had plans greater than the matrix, still stupid because in the first one d allspark was d most powerful invention in d second it was the matrix an in the third the matrix isnt even worth having

the business with megatron frozen an sentinel on the moon really annoys me because if it was a simple time difference they should of said so

what about bumblebee getting his voice fixed at the end of the first one an suddenly its gone in the next 2?

While you are right on SOME things, others aren’t.
1: I believe that the Decepticons might have done this because 1) they did it because Sentinel was locked away in that hole, and it might have protected him, or 2) the Decepticons who shot him down might have not known about the deal.
2: This one confused me as well.
3: I think that when the Autobots surrendered, Cybertron might have already been barren, but the Autobots only surrendered because they were hopelessly outnumbered.
4: This one’s easy. When Optimus and Ratchet head to the moon, we can clearly see them taking the same shuttle the Autobots take later in the film. Sam didn’t know this because he knew next to nothing about what the Autobots were doing, so he knew nothing about that Shuttle.
5: I think Sentinel may have declined, because he believed he knew what he was doing wasn’t right (using another race for slavery) but he was desperate for the survival of his race. So he declined because he still had some of the Prime ways, and knew he didn’t deserve it.
6: I laughed.

One inconsistency that I notice is how did Sentinel Prime that we see for the first time inside the ship that crash on the moon ~50 years ago looks like he already scanned a modern day fire truck ? While clearly in the first movie the autobots look like cybertronian before they scanned their respective vehicle

I dont get it. Good point.

I actually don’t see any problems with the movie in this post but rather with the Story/screenplay

How bout this one: 

Why did the entire force of human armies get absolutely killed and then like 50 guys can take down a bunch of Decepticons no problem?

or this one:

Why did Cybertron simply stop transporting next to Earth the first time the pillar was interrupted but the second time it imploded and took all the decepticons with it?

or this one:

Why are  the decepticons deceivingly easy to kill in the end of each movie but for entire first 3/4 of it, they’re seemingly invincible? If it was really that easy to kill them, why didnt you just do it in the first place?

answer to question four – that’s because he didn’t know about them going to the moon in the first place. Answer to question five, he had to play nice with the autobots until the time was tight. you seem to have some problems with the movie. if you don’t like the true answers to the problems or your silly enough to not be able to figure out the answers (which are really easy, by the way) then you need help.

All three! Lol. First for the allspark because he didn’t known Sentinel had been shot down. Then he was pulled in by the Fallen, so what better way to get rid of the planet of filty monkeys then using the Fallen as help and thirdly, Sentinel’s deal couldn’t happen because of the power drain. LIke it’s stated in the movie, they needed the Matrix to revive sentiel

they never show a lot of things. they have to cut some things out of movies, lol

Sam was busy with the russians when they went to the moon! it’s how they found out there were hundreds of pillars. so he didn’t know at all.

agree with you on number five. disagree on number six. Optimus had his turn to pout because the humans were supposed to be their allies. He’s pissed they kept the knowledge of Cheybole (however you spell it) offline from him.